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		<title>By: Dianne Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Frank,
   You provide great information for buyers, sellers, AND agents.  Thank you!   I wanted to mention that the new HUD-1 now discloses the amount of &quot;Agent&#039;s portion of the total insurance premium&quot;.  When they say &quot;Agent&quot;, they don&#039;t mean your real estate agent, they mean the insurance agent.  For example, on a $250,000 home, the total premium (lenders, owners with enhanced) is roughly $1300, of that roughly $1100 is the INSURANCE Agent&#039;s commission.  If you want to know the commission split for the lender&#039;s only policy, ask for a quote on just lender&#039;s title insuracne (and the breakdown), then ask for another quote for lender&#039;s and owner&#039;s title insurance (and the breakdown), and finally, lender&#039;s and Enhanced owner&#039;s title insurance as shown on the HUD-1.  You can ask for a HUD-1 well before settlement, but all the numbers will not be available.   However, the title insurance numbers will be.
Good luck with your title insurance issue, unfortunately, the new HUD-1 made it a little more clear in some respects, and a little more confusing in other ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Frank,<br />
   You provide great information for buyers, sellers, AND agents.  Thank you!   I wanted to mention that the new HUD-1 now discloses the amount of &#8220;Agent&#8217;s portion of the total insurance premium&#8221;.  When they say &#8220;Agent&#8221;, they don&#8217;t mean your real estate agent, they mean the insurance agent.  For example, on a $250,000 home, the total premium (lenders, owners with enhanced) is roughly $1300, of that roughly $1100 is the INSURANCE Agent&#8217;s commission.  If you want to know the commission split for the lender&#8217;s only policy, ask for a quote on just lender&#8217;s title insuracne (and the breakdown), then ask for another quote for lender&#8217;s and owner&#8217;s title insurance (and the breakdown), and finally, lender&#8217;s and Enhanced owner&#8217;s title insurance as shown on the HUD-1.  You can ask for a HUD-1 well before settlement, but all the numbers will not be available.   However, the title insurance numbers will be.<br />
Good luck with your title insurance issue, unfortunately, the new HUD-1 made it a little more clear in some respects, and a little more confusing in other ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Rummel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Rummel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog here.  I myself am opting out of an owner&#039;s policy for a property I am purchasing.  I was very surprised that my real-estate agent AND lender did not know that an owner&#039;s policy was optional (or were simply playing ignorant).  I have opted out for the last three home purchases as well with no issues.  I dug a little deeper and ran across this article.  You want actual payout numbers?  The testimony at this link is VERY educational:
http://www.consumerfed.org/pdfs/Title_Insurance_Testimony042606.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog here.  I myself am opting out of an owner&#8217;s policy for a property I am purchasing.  I was very surprised that my real-estate agent AND lender did not know that an owner&#8217;s policy was optional (or were simply playing ignorant).  I have opted out for the last three home purchases as well with no issues.  I dug a little deeper and ran across this article.  You want actual payout numbers?  The testimony at this link is VERY educational:<br />
<a href="http://www.consumerfed.org/pdfs/Title_Insurance_Testimony042606.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.consumerfed.org/pdfs/Title_Insurance_Testimony042606.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

The anonymous post on April 21, 2009 is correct (as is most of the information in this blog thread).  The stats are readily available to all title agencies (they just don&#039;t like to disclose it).  And since these companies are publicly traded companies, you can also find it in their financial statements.  The 2-3% claims are just minor corrections that are not complicated to correct.  That&#039;s why you may see indemnity letters at the closing table on occasion.  Complicated title issues that may need some work, are closer to 0.001% claims.

This comes from a former CRESPA certified title agent with both a background in real estate and mortgage lending.  I have purchased over 12 pieces of real estate.  Both homes as investments and primary residencies, as well as commercial property.  And, you will be interested to know that, I have never opted to buy the owner&#039;s title policy. And yes, I did end up having title issues on one of the properties.  However, we got a couple of signatures from previous owners and the problem was fixed in a matter of days....as is usually the case.

I wouldn&#039;t go as far as calling title insurance a scam.  Although, the sale of title insurance is illegal in the state of Iowa.  However, I do believe it is one of the most profitable types of insurance policies in the whole insurance industry....along with baby life insurance (go Gerber!).  At the end of the day, warranties and insurances are just a peace of mind payment that most people (at least Americans) are willing to pay.

It would be nice for there to be more disclosure to have a better informed consumers.  But their lobbying is strong...and the reality is that the title companies would not be highlighting the stats all that well anyways, if a disclosure ever came about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p>
<p>The anonymous post on April 21, 2009 is correct (as is most of the information in this blog thread).  The stats are readily available to all title agencies (they just don&#8217;t like to disclose it).  And since these companies are publicly traded companies, you can also find it in their financial statements.  The 2-3% claims are just minor corrections that are not complicated to correct.  That&#8217;s why you may see indemnity letters at the closing table on occasion.  Complicated title issues that may need some work, are closer to 0.001% claims.</p>
<p>This comes from a former CRESPA certified title agent with both a background in real estate and mortgage lending.  I have purchased over 12 pieces of real estate.  Both homes as investments and primary residencies, as well as commercial property.  And, you will be interested to know that, I have never opted to buy the owner&#8217;s title policy. And yes, I did end up having title issues on one of the properties.  However, we got a couple of signatures from previous owners and the problem was fixed in a matter of days&#8230;.as is usually the case.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t go as far as calling title insurance a scam.  Although, the sale of title insurance is illegal in the state of Iowa.  However, I do believe it is one of the most profitable types of insurance policies in the whole insurance industry&#8230;.along with baby life insurance (go Gerber!).  At the end of the day, warranties and insurances are just a peace of mind payment that most people (at least Americans) are willing to pay.</p>
<p>It would be nice for there to be more disclosure to have a better informed consumers.  But their lobbying is strong&#8230;and the reality is that the title companies would not be highlighting the stats all that well anyways, if a disclosure ever came about.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to invest in a title insurer.  Their public statements are available on Edgar (this is Investors Title out of North Carolina).  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 2008 they wrote 63 million in policies, and had reserves of 15 million (insurers create a reserve when they write a policiy to pay for expected future claims).  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So while it doesn&#039;t tell you how many claims they expect to be made, it does tell you that they expect to pay out about 25% of premiums.  The key is like all insurance, it&#039;s over priced (very few insurance products aren&#039;t priced with an underwriting profit) but the costs of having a claim should be weighed against your fiances (so people with bigger liquid savings should require less insurance).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to invest in a title insurer.  Their public statements are available on Edgar (this is Investors Title out of North Carolina).  </p>
<p>In 2008 they wrote 63 million in policies, and had reserves of 15 million (insurers create a reserve when they write a policiy to pay for expected future claims).  </p>
<p>So while it doesn&#8217;t tell you how many claims they expect to be made, it does tell you that they expect to pay out about 25% of premiums.  The key is like all insurance, it&#8217;s over priced (very few insurance products aren&#8217;t priced with an underwriting profit) but the costs of having a claim should be weighed against your fiances (so people with bigger liquid savings should require less insurance).</p>
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		<title>By: FRANK LL0SA Va Broker- BLOG.FranklyRealty.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>FRANK LL0SA Va Broker- BLOG.FranklyRealty.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous, I think it covers things that were impossible to find in the first round. But I still don&#039;t fully get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous, I think it covers things that were impossible to find in the first round. But I still don&#8217;t fully get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an attorney, albeit not a real estate attorney, I don&#039;t understand why a purchaser ahould have to get insurance to cover possible faulty work on the part of the title attorney.  I wouldn&#039;t expect my clients to have special &quot;attorney screw up insurance.&quot;  If I make a mistake, shouldn&#039;t they just go after me and my malpractice insurer?  Or am I misunderstanding the type of things that title insurance covers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an attorney, albeit not a real estate attorney, I don&#8217;t understand why a purchaser ahould have to get insurance to cover possible faulty work on the part of the title attorney.  I wouldn&#8217;t expect my clients to have special &#8220;attorney screw up insurance.&#8221;  If I make a mistake, shouldn&#8217;t they just go after me and my malpractice insurer?  Or am I misunderstanding the type of things that title insurance covers?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Blog!&lt;br/&gt;Bonnie I like your idea about going outside for a quote and then asking for a price match.  I am in the process of purchasing and have received Is there a difference in the Title Insurance Company strength.  The recent closing of LandAmerica has me wondering.  I have also received the following quotes from 2 local (VA) closing agents and not really sure why there is such a difference.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Lenders  $1,176  $1,000 &lt;br/&gt;Owners Standard $2,529  $1,500 &lt;br/&gt;Owners Enhanced $3,075  $1,900&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Blog!<br />Bonnie I like your idea about going outside for a quote and then asking for a price match.  I am in the process of purchasing and have received Is there a difference in the Title Insurance Company strength.  The recent closing of LandAmerica has me wondering.  I have also received the following quotes from 2 local (VA) closing agents and not really sure why there is such a difference.</p>
<p>Lenders  $1,176  $1,000 <br />Owners Standard $2,529  $1,500 <br />Owners Enhanced $3,075  $1,900</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, on the last 2 properties I purchased, I got an insurance quote outside of the settlement company we were scheduled to use and had them match the rate. I&#039;m the type who pores over every item on the HUD-1 in advance verifying the accuracy and necessity of each line, and while I couldn&#039;t stand dropping thousands for something I wasn&#039;t convinced I totally needed, I was still uncomfortable foregoing it altogether without being further informed (which is why I love your blogs Frank, b/c they always cover things I&#039;ve been wanting to know more about). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The settlement company even suggested it. I basically said, &quot;hey, I got a quote for thousands less, um, I think I might use theirs instead,&quot; and they came back saying they&#039;d match it if we stuck with theirs. All they requested was a copy of the quote. For example, on a $435K property, I got a combination lender/owner policy for $825.80 (and of that, the optional owner&#039;s portion was only about $300). The settlement company&#039;s policy was going to be about $2400, and yes, I compared the coverage on both and they were essentially the same.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There have been properties I had declined buying it for in that past (my lender said it was a joke), but now I figured if I can get it for an extra $300 bucks it&#039;s definitely worth my peace of mind. So it may not hurt to shop around and ask the closing company about it...&lt;br/&gt;(BTW, I&#039;m in VA)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, on the last 2 properties I purchased, I got an insurance quote outside of the settlement company we were scheduled to use and had them match the rate. I&#8217;m the type who pores over every item on the HUD-1 in advance verifying the accuracy and necessity of each line, and while I couldn&#8217;t stand dropping thousands for something I wasn&#8217;t convinced I totally needed, I was still uncomfortable foregoing it altogether without being further informed (which is why I love your blogs Frank, b/c they always cover things I&#8217;ve been wanting to know more about). </p>
<p>The settlement company even suggested it. I basically said, &#8220;hey, I got a quote for thousands less, um, I think I might use theirs instead,&#8221; and they came back saying they&#8217;d match it if we stuck with theirs. All they requested was a copy of the quote. For example, on a $435K property, I got a combination lender/owner policy for $825.80 (and of that, the optional owner&#8217;s portion was only about $300). The settlement company&#8217;s policy was going to be about $2400, and yes, I compared the coverage on both and they were essentially the same.</p>
<p>There have been properties I had declined buying it for in that past (my lender said it was a joke), but now I figured if I can get it for an extra $300 bucks it&#8217;s definitely worth my peace of mind. So it may not hurt to shop around and ask the closing company about it&#8230;<br />(BTW, I&#8217;m in VA)</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Kauber - Entitle Direct</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Kauber - Entitle Direct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To followup on Joe&#039;s question above regarding purchasing owner&#039;s title insurance directly from a title insurance company, there is indeed a way to do so via Entitle Direct. I am the CIO of the company; we are a 30 year old title insurance company that now sells direct to consumers at a savings of 35% or more. We currently provide coverage in 28 states, with more being added on a regular basis. Please review our website at http://www.entitledirect.com to confirm that we are available in your state and to obtain a free quote. We also offer an online Control Panel feature which consumers can use to manage their entire closing process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To followup on Joe&#8217;s question above regarding purchasing owner&#8217;s title insurance directly from a title insurance company, there is indeed a way to do so via Entitle Direct. I am the CIO of the company; we are a 30 year old title insurance company that now sells direct to consumers at a savings of 35% or more. We currently provide coverage in 28 states, with more being added on a regular basis. Please review our website at <a href="http://www.entitledirect.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.entitledirect.com</a> to confirm that we are available in your state and to obtain a free quote. We also offer an online Control Panel feature which consumers can use to manage their entire closing process.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great dialogue Frank, Diane, &amp; others. For industry stats, attached is a link to a recent analysis of industry results. Among other things, actual losses in past 10 years appear to be 4.9% of premiums. &lt;br/&gt;But I&#039;d want to read the article more closely (which I haven&#039;t) because in a legal-intensive product like title insurance-- where the title insurers are continually  clarifying liens, which probably has preventive benefit from good legal hygiene-- the lines between &quot;losses&quot; &amp; &quot;administrative costs&quot; may be a bit blurred.&lt;br/&gt;http://www.alta.org/industry/AMBest08.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great dialogue Frank, Diane, &amp; others. For industry stats, attached is a link to a recent analysis of industry results. Among other things, actual losses in past 10 years appear to be 4.9% of premiums. <br />But I&#39;d want to read the article more closely (which I haven&#39;t) because in a legal-intensive product like title insurance&#8211; where the title insurers are continually  clarifying liens, which probably has preventive benefit from good legal hygiene&#8211; the lines between &quot;losses&quot; &amp; &quot;administrative costs&quot; may be a bit blurred.<br /><a href="http://www.alta.org/industry/AMBest08.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.alta.org/industry/AMBest08.pdf</a></p>
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