Anyhow, we put an offer in on one place. We didn't get it. I'm ok with that. I could have talked them into a higher price, and won, but I didn't do that. I worked for their best interest, not mine. Then they found a For Sale By Owner. It was literally 20% overpriced (as many FSBOs are). They had me run the numbers and do a full analysis on the I then get an email the next day saying that my services were no longer needed (You're fired), they had bypassed me and bought the FSBO for $30k over what it should go for. Payment to Frank was $0, (hours wasted). Buyer overpaid $30k. Having some consolation knowing they overpaid= Priceless.
What is an "Exclusive Buyer Agency Agreement"?
This is a contract that a buyer is oftentimes asked to sign by a buyer agent Realtor. In part it commits the buyer to use this one agent exclusively for several months.
Why in the world would you sign this?
How could signing all your rights away ever help you, the buyer? Where is the "What's in it for me?" in that proposition?
Don't you still want to be able to:
And that sales pitch is so hoaky sometimes:
What a ton of B.S.
So let me know if I missed anything. All of the above is the typical viewpoint of the buyer right? I know it well. I grew up with it. My mother was the most cynical person and would never sign one of these agreements. She didn't see the "how can this help me." In part it is the Realtor's fault for not explaining the process clearly.
But, and here is the big butt, I have seen the other side! It isn't always as shady as it initially appears and it can help the buyer.
As a Realtor, many newbies feel bad getting their clients to sign these contracts. Sometimes they let it slide, until one day they understand why it protects the Realtor. Then I'll go into how it helps the client.
What? This exclusive contract can help the buyer? How in the world is this going to come around full circle? Ah, the suspense.
neighborhood etc. I even helped them talk through what they wanted to offer. I warned them no matter how upgraded it was, it was a really high price. It was like buying the best house in the worst neighborhood. They decided to offer anyhow.
Since then I require my clients to sign an "Exclusive Buyer Agency Agreement" early on. Not before the first showing, like some, but shortly thereafter. I give them enough time to feel me
out, but I can't invest a ton of time with a customer that is still shopping around agents and might bolt at any moment. A catch 22 of sorts.
So, ok, you got screwed, that sucks, help me understand how this helps me, today's buyer?
Wait a second, that sucks. I've always been told that the "seller pays."
Again, a sales tactic brainwash: "Buyer agents are Free." Don't believe that. Guess who is writing the check/loan for a $400,000 house? Guess where the Realtor fees get drawn from at closing? Correct, that check. You are indirectly paying for all the fees.
What about non-exclusive buyer agency agreement? I heard some agents will use that. Doesn't that help me while protecting me?
All that does is a) squelch the "I work for the seller" trick and b) outlines how the Realtor gets paid. Both good things, but knowing that the buyer might go buy something after seeing something at an Open House or a new construction without them, the bias will still be there for you to buy quickly and for a higher price.
What about New Constructions, isn't it better if I'm Realtorless?
Almost always the price for the buyer is the same with or without a Realtor (wow a pitch that you might have heard, that is essentially true). But, yes, on a rare occasion the sales office might get a bonus if they sell a unit to you without a Realtor, but who cares? You still don't have anybody working for your best interest. Who cares if you got them to drop $50,000, a good Realtor might be able to say "Wait, in another community across town, they have been dropping $100,000!" or "Don't believe their comps, they are illegally not posting the seller subsidy (see Beware: New Constructions Illegally Not Disclosing Seller Subsidies). Recently I helped a client get a new construction for $10,000 under the price he was initially told was non-negotiable AND I wrote into the contract a clause that allowed him to exit the contract if the prices of the condos continued to drop (a pricing guarantee). That single handedly could save him $40,000. And all you thought we did was show up with a smile and cash our check? What about the Jaguar the money I saved you can buy? Will I get a free ride at least?
Also in one case with an Arlington new condo, is the sales office going to tell you about how the building was almost condemned and slated to be destroyed because it was sinking? Um, I don't think so.
What about bypassing the buyer agent and making the listing agent give me the commission? Heck even Money recommended this step (see article)
From somebody that has been in over 10 national publications, (CNBC, WSJ, NYTimes etc) magazines sometime give new reports a "beat" to cover. Sometimes they are not experts and they think they can jump in and reinvent the wheel. This reporter is an idiot. When a listing agreement is signed, it is between the seller and the agent. If an offer comes in with 3% back, the buyer can't simply void the listing agreement. The offer is netted out and the listing agent can still get their double commission. Even if they don't still get it all, (oftentimes they do) you still have nobody representing you to help you get the best price and help you avoid all the shady Realtors tricks that are out there (DOM fudging, etc). Who cares if you "save 3%" if a good buyer's agent might have been able to get you 5% or more?
What about these FSBOs, isn't it better if I find one without a Buyer Agent?
Yes. In theory. But those FSBOs tend to be cheapskates. This is fine, but cheapskates (like my mother!!) are notorious for overpricing! Great you "save" on Realtor fees, but you get a horrible deal. With a Realtor who is on the same team as you, can help you evaluate the pros and cons of that unit and also strategize how you can get the seller down. No not just with a low offer, but other ways. I love dealing with FSBOs that think they know it all. My client pays the Realtor fee (wink wink) but then they get the place for $50k under true value.
Again, yes, signing the agreement might preclude you from buying a gem FSBO that is underpriced and not offering Realtor commissions. That is a "risk" that you have to understand and be willing to accept, in trade for the other benefits of having a dedicated Realtor.
Buyer's can't have it both ways. You can't expect an agent to work their tail off for you, offer unbiased data analysis, and offer aggressive negotiations while the agent knows you hold an "out" card. What, is the agent expected to just cross his fingers that his time invested will work out favorably? Is it worth holding onto that out card? That is up to the buyer, and if they see any value in their agent.
To recap: I've put myself in the buyer's shoes. I know where they are coming from and
their hesitations. I can understand and respect that initial viewpoint. Now put yourself in the shoes of the agent. How likely is that agent going to be to help you try and fight for an extra $5,000 or $10,000 off? Human nature would kick in and say, "Why should I be aggressive on this offer if they might just go elsewhere if this deal doesn't happen?"
If I sign one, when should I sign it?
Good luck. Hopefully after reading the rest of this blog that highlights the insider tricks of Realtors, you will better understand why this exclusive buyer agency contract is requested by some and required by others and how it ultimately helps the buyer.
Also make sure to leave a comment and read others comments.
- Written by Frank Borges LL0SA- Broker/Owner FranklyRealty.com
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Boy, you had me going there for a while. I wasn't sure which side you were on. Good points on why buyers should ask for an EBAA.
Excellent post! I was wondering where you'd end up too.
Wow, lots of info here. Echos my beliefs.
Curious if you have gotten questions about how you, as BA, can represent me in the negotiations where you fee is a result of the offering price. The higher the price you suggest we offer the better your commission, or conversely...
How have you responded? Or do you nip it in the bud right off the bat and let them know upfront how you deal with this apparent conflict.
Jeff
Great questions Jeff.
If the buyer is on my side, I can tell them "look, these guys are desperate and are trying to bribe me with a bonus for a full price offer. I'm going to ignore that bonus and offer what you want me to offer."
If there is a bonus, THE BUYER gets the bonus.
The entire point of the Exclusive contract is that I get 3% regardless. So the #1 goal is getting the lowest price for my client.
Frank
In the first part of the post, I was ready to ream you.. :) but I read the rest.
Great post.
Excellent post, and they are getting to be more and more common. The way they are written it does protect all parties and the client takes you more seriously. I have heard clients say that they have "hired" an agent to sell their home, but they are "using" and agent to buy.
Brilliantly put Kelley!
Awesome Post Frank! I fully agree with you.....EBA is very important to both parties these days.
That's one of the best posts I've read in ages!!!
I have duly bookmarked it and will share it with folks. Have to say though, I cracked up with the 'priceless' comment... I think that all of us who have worked our fannies off for someone who cut us out have seen the same thing happen-and secretly rejoiced.
=) Thanks!
In Maine, you cannot give any advice for a customer until they sign an Exclusive Buyer Agency Agreement and become a client. As one of my Real Estate instructors calls it, you are a "monkey with a key." I will work one day in a customer relationship, but no more; I can't work that way - it's not fair to either party. I also detail the "gap" that they may have to make up if the seller does not offer my full fee. I earn that money and do my best to document the value I bring to the table thus far very successfully.
Hey Rick,
The "monkey with a key" is exactly what I refer to as the excuses that Realtors use to trick their clients to sign with them. Just playing devil's advocate here, couldn't they just sign the "non-exclusive" agreement that I refer to in my post? That way they would be a "client." I'm not saying that buyers should sign "non-exclusives," I'm just saying that as Realtors, we need to better explain why it helps THEM and why it helps us. None of this monkey business.
Frank
boy you got me stirred up for a moment- excellent audience catcher!
You put alot of time and thought into creating a post that sits on the fence and plays out both sides of the story....
I will bookmark and reread as it is full of great pointers. I even love the last sentence after your signature.
Hoo Boy! Great post! I love using a Buyers rep agreement, it weeds out the people that only want to waste your time, but it is challenging to know when is the right time to put it forward...I like to say before I physically show them properties but it doesn't always work that way.
The double agent video was great! Talk about being on the fast track!
Thanks Frank!
Very good post.
I like your idea of taking pictures of all the homes that they see and giving them an album. I was thinking of taking pictures as we look at homes and then burn them a CD at the end of the day. Just haven't been able to work the picture taking into the normal routine yet.
Tim
Blog is great.
At first it seemed like it was against buyer agreements, but you brought it back.
One other thing you can add in
there and explain is how the Seller normally agrees to pay a percentage that includes the buyer agent....and if there is no buyer
agent, the listing agent gets it ALL. Buyers should get
representation if they are paying for the listing agent anyhow.
Let me give you the perspective from the other side:
1. Nothing in the BA (a) changes the underlying dynamic of the RE transaction; i.e., no commission is paid unless a deal is done, and the higher the price the higher the commission, or (b) that a dual agency exists. Unless it is a true BA, where the buyer's agent receives 100% of his/her compensation from the client under an agreed-upon formula.
2. If prospective buyers were actually presented with the true cost of the BA ("at closing, you may have to pay me, the broker, several thousands of dollars or X dollars per hour for my services") I guarantee you not one BA would ever get signed.
BTW, I hope you know that the statements you mentioned (e.g. "it's standard") are not only cheesy but exactly the kind of conduct certain state AGs and the DOJ are interested in.
I will note that BAs are uncommon in the NE. However, if brokers can really demonstrate to the market that BAs add value to the client, they will catch on. If not, the previous posts, while well-intentioned I'm sure, represent wishful thinking.
Hello NE buyer,
As for #2, I disagree. I don't try to hide anything. My contract is VERY clear, and my clients are ok with the concept of their paying the Realtor fees one way or another.
Oftentimes if it is a FSBO, a net is reached and then an addendum is created to add back in the fees by increasing the price.
And yes "the standard" comment could be a DOJ issue. But I don't say that, so no worries.
Currently, I am on the other side of the horn on BAs. I know I know, I am probably going to get hammered for this considering the forum I am presenting to, but hear it out.
We signed one with a realtor after seeing a few homes with him. We felt like it was the right thing to do considering he showed enthusiasm and knowledge that we didn't possess.
Now after 5 (FIVE) failed attempts at putting in a successful contract and a long list of various other incompetencies, I want out. Can you give me any advise as to how I can get out of this? Do I still retain the right to represent myself or the services of another agent before the end of terms? Help!
at post!
I also let my buyers who sign rep agreements know that if at any point during the process they feel that I am not doing my job, they "fire" me with valid reason.
Being in the NVAR arbitration committee, I see that while a buyer rep agreement can help, it isn't the end all, be all to determining procuring cause.
Your point about new construction is good as well. After working with a builder for several years, I know that builders will rarely "incentivize" you for not having a realtor...they depend on realtor business too and consider realtor commission as part of their marketing budget. Imagine how angry realtors would get if they found out that a builder was saying "If you don't use a realtor, I'll give you the 3% commission in the form of a discount!" Um, yeah...they are not trying to infuriate the realtors who account for 30-80% of their business (wide range I know, but the community Amir manages in Virginia currently has 62% realtor participation).
Thanks
Hahaha....I know you so I already knew where you were going. I also remember the very deal you pointed out where you were "fired".
I'm going to bookmark this blog and share it with clients. You're timing's great - I just showed 2 houses to a couple and was explaining the advantages of signing with an agent.
-Tchaka
http://tchakaowen.blogspot.com/
Does "Formfiller" not realize that the "the standard" comment is actually you pointing out the bad elements in the business?
-Tchaka
http://tchakaowen.blogspot.com/
Sorry if I wasn't clear, but "tchaka" should know that I referenced the statement as warning to brokers in general.
That statement, along with "6% is standard", and "don't list with a discount broker, no one will show your house" are red flags.
All this is simply irrelevant - the question is not about whether agents - buyers or sellers side - should get paid. They should get paid.
The real question is that 3% of the price has simply no relation to the work being executed. The 3% was set to cover fixed costs for selling a house when prices were low.
The 3% is $10,0000 for a house at $333,000, but 20,0000 for something that sells for 660,000. This is the same house being sold in 2001 AND 2004. Did anyone else's salary double in 3 years?
There is nothing that justifies that extra $10000 for the latter, other than the MLS monopoly power.
Your argument here is thus a straw man argument, which hides the real issue - a 3% commission is too much for todays prices.
Hey Baxter,
Thanks for your comment.
Did you know the average Realtor in the US makes $17,000 per year?
Assuming an agent does NOT work for a broker - how does the $ made from a sale break down?
Lets say for example a sale of $600,000 house. What happens to the $30,000?
Frank,
Joule has switched over to rentals... do you foresee any other new condo developments making the jump due to cancellations and/or lower than expected sales?
Yes, I realize Joule is wrapped around a gas station (which clearly justifies the rents they are listing) and thus not indicative of the overall condo market in Arlington. But still, if you had to pick one other??
Thanks.
Dear Million!
Great question. Blog coming soon on that topic.
Frank
The days of "I won't list a house and that proves I'm a more dedicated buyer's agent." Huh? I don't think any of us ever say that. What we DO say is that we DON'T list houses because that eliminates any potential for comflict of interest, and that we SPECIALIZE in serving the best interests of buyers. When you work only with buyers as a fiduciary you become a specialist and an expert on buying. That's all we do, all day every day -- act as fiduciaries in representing folks who buy. We do know how sellers think, because all of us started out working both for buyers and for sellers. The law requires it. And so does all the special education we get learning how to serve buyers best.
Wow, the first few paragraphs made me furious, way to suck us in and turn it around. Those are some great points you make. Personally as an agent I wouldn't hold someone's feet to the fire. If they have a legitimate reason for not working with me chances are I feel the same way. That goes for sellers and buyers.
It amazes me that even some real estate attorneys think a rebate of commission to a principle is fraud - on or off the HUD.
How does the price of the home relate to the value of services spent on buying that home? Couldn't a Realtor spend more time with a picky family trying to buy a $300,000 home than a non-picky family trying to buy a $600,000 home? Yet the Realtor charges more to the non-picky family.
Frank, you and other Realtors talk about your earnings per hour of work, yet you charge a percentage of a transaction. If you're already thinking in terms of your hourly income, why don't you charge an hourly rate rather than a percentage of the transaction?
Hi Frank,
Regarding anonymous' question (getting out of the agreement), what if you are unhappy with the agent that you have been working with and want to go with a different agent in the same brokerage firm? If the EBAA is with the brokerage, are you on the hook for paying 3% to the old agent and the new agent? Or is the 3% just to the borkerage? Thanks for the great blogging!
Great article! I'm really happy to see that another Realtor is questioning the system in place for years that has done nothing to help the consumer. Its designed by Realtors, for Realtors.
If you have the opportunity, stop by my blog at http://blog.developersagent.com/
I am all for protecting everyone's rights in an agreement. However, as the standard EBAA clause reads, the buyer can never be certain that the agent is TRULY working for them. Basing the reward, (the commission), on the sales price is not incentive for the agent to negotiate a lower price. A buyer's agent agreement should indicate that 1) the buyer pays the buyer's agent directly and; 2) the commission should be based on the savings negotiated by the agent on behalf of the buyer. I'd get a lawyer to help with the wording but as long as the commission is based on the sales price all bets are off.
Just some thoughts from a frustrated first time homebuyer.
Dear Anonymous,
I'd rather have a client pay $5,000 OVER list price on a place that is under priced vs "saving" them $75,000 on a place that is $100,000 overpriced and getting some huge bonus.
In your scenario, the agent would be incentivized to steer them toward the one that gave the bonus and not the one that was a better deal.
And don't think that this doesn't happen. In my building at Clarendon 1021, there is an FSBO that is literally $100,000 overpriced. Meanwhile there was a pre-foreclosure that dropped quickly to $60,000 under the initial purchase price and sold with 3 offers at full list (if not over).
I know the system isn't perfect, but houses aren't a commodity like pig futures or corn. There is no benchmark to conveniently go off of.
Still no response on how to get out of a contract!!! I found myself as a first time homebuyer in such a predicament where I knew the realtor did not have my best interest and kept telling me lies....including all loans have a prepayment penalties!! I did use that to get out of a contract. But how does a buyer protect themselves when an agreement is not working????
Hey Anonymous, Can you use a fake name? Or your first name? So I know who is who.
As for getting out of the buyer agent contract. I didn't follow your question. On the one hand you said you got out of a contract, on the other hand you want to know how to get out of one?
You can try talking to the broker or an attorney.
More often then not, the reason the buyer wants out of the contract is not because of the agent that did something wrong, but something else. Perhaps a friend of a friend Realtor said they would give them $1,000 back, or the relo company is now recommending a Realtor and they will pay for your move. So the contract is in place to also protect the buyer agent from spending 20 hours with a client, then to find out that they heard about some promo elsewhere.
If your buyer agent really sucks, a lawyer can get you out in under 3.2 seconds.
My agent ref me to a loan broker who was his father, I live in cali & he removed contigencies knowing we didn't have a loan and we thought we did. we had to put 5% down for loan, Then our loan guys calls us 10 days before close asking us for 3% more & with an outrages APR or else I will lose my 10,000 in escrow. We had to leave work and try to get another loan from Bof A which we got with out anymore money other than the 5% we may not close in time & will be fined by the seller. my agent (was a friend) knows that my son has been recently diagnosed with a cyst inbetween his eye&brain and could possibly be cancer, I have been unfront with them from begining to end i told them everything my credit & financial situation and they both said no problem. Before I placed a bid we asked our agent only place it if we are confrimed with the loan becuase we have no money to put down and the little that we do we need it to make the renovations to the house since the house needs some fixing. I want to fire my agent can I
no buyer agency (did not know what that is) Thank you MD&LD from Cali did not want to create a log in name sorry
As a 1st-time home buyer, my husband and I were lucky enough to run across an ethically questionable buyer's agent. We certainly realize the value in having one, if they are actually working FOR you! I used Frank's "live chat" and he was TREMENDOUSLY helpful.
As we have not yet received a copy of our "agreement" we are going to try to notify the brokerage that as a result of not receiving it, our offer is not ratified, and therefore we are withdrawing our offer to do business with the agent in question and the firm. Not sure if this will work, but will update with final results when we have them.
Thanks Frank! :)
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