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		<title>By: FRANK LL0SA Va Broker- BLOG.FranklyRealty.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>FRANK LL0SA Va Broker- BLOG.FranklyRealty.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job AlDO. &lt;br/&gt;\&lt;br/&gt;What do you mean by &quot;selling agent.&quot; That has 2 definitions. Do you mean your buyer agent or the listing agent?&lt;br/&gt;THanks for keeping us updated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job AlDO. <br />\<br />What do you mean by &#8220;selling agent.&#8221; That has 2 definitions. Do you mean your buyer agent or the listing agent?<br />THanks for keeping us updated.</p>
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		<title>By: Aldo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they bit and we&#039;re happy. House is in Stafford, just outside Fred&#039;burg.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Interesting thing is that we were ready to move on after the first offer, because the selling agent had said no way would the sellers move to the region of our bid.  Huh! imagine that: a realtor trying to get more money for his clients by predicting their comfort level....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they bit and we&#8217;re happy. House is in Stafford, just outside Fred&#8217;burg.  </p>
<p>Interesting thing is that we were ready to move on after the first offer, because the selling agent had said no way would the sellers move to the region of our bid.  Huh! imagine that: a realtor trying to get more money for his clients by predicting their comfort level&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Aldo</title>
		<link>http://blog.franklyrealty.com/2007/08/round-robin-buying-system-unearthing.html/comment-page-1#comment-2351</link>
		<dc:creator>Aldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand TNPPRRA.  I practice it myself.  But my question was this (and I think I will try to get a buddy of mine to build an agent-based model of this and sell it to you -- I think you&#039;d be interested): can I parameterize the variables in the TNPPRRA?  In other words, can I build a model and run it on a PC that will help me understand, probabilistically, my chances for success based on a particular TNPPRRA strategy?  What price, value, initial offer and counter offer are a function of one&#039;s decision to continue negotiations on _that_ property and not move to number 2?  TNPPRRA is sound.  Adding this kind of math to it will make it pretty unbeatable.  If you&#039;re interested, maybe we should talk some more offline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand TNPPRRA.  I practice it myself.  But my question was this (and I think I will try to get a buddy of mine to build an agent-based model of this and sell it to you &#8212; I think you&#8217;d be interested): can I parameterize the variables in the TNPPRRA?  In other words, can I build a model and run it on a PC that will help me understand, probabilistically, my chances for success based on a particular TNPPRRA strategy?  What price, value, initial offer and counter offer are a function of one&#8217;s decision to continue negotiations on _that_ property and not move to number 2?  TNPPRRA is sound.  Adding this kind of math to it will make it pretty unbeatable.  If you&#8217;re interested, maybe we should talk some more offline.</p>
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		<title>By: FRANK LL0SA Va Broker- BLOG.FranklyRealty.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.franklyrealty.com/2007/08/round-robin-buying-system-unearthing.html/comment-page-1#comment-2350</link>
		<dc:creator>FRANK LL0SA Va Broker- BLOG.FranklyRealty.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Aldo,&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ll try and get a better response, but I can tell you that the other side loves the to play &quot;Half-zies&quot; where they cut the difference.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Nope there is no % off game. As I would rather pay 2% above list vs pay $50k off list for a place overpriced by $100k.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for negotiation 101, it says that you should not make big jumps. If you make big same sized jumps then they are encouraged to try again for more.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also round robin isn&#039;t so much&lt;br/&gt;1) Try one house, go back and forth and see what happens, and when dead go to the next one.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Instead it is more of a&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2) Put in an offer, if they come back, and they dont come back enough, say in 1 or 2 days &quot;no, we will pass for now, you can resubmit if you want.&quot; And you go and offer on another place. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also use the Frankly CRA system (hidden throughout my blog, but soon getting a monumental post itself), the Comparative Realtor Analysis (trademark pending). Where you do a background check on the Realtor to see what is the most % off list they have accepted in the past. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also watch my video on low ball offers. Sometimes if you start TOO low, you don&#039;t get any movement and you end up paying MORE. Also I have no problem countering the SAME offer. Nothing says you have to come up each time. And let them know that you might or might not come back in a week after you try another 2 places. (sometimes I even tell them which places!!)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Where are you buying.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Aldo,<br />I&#8217;ll try and get a better response, but I can tell you that the other side loves the to play &#8220;Half-zies&#8221; where they cut the difference.</p>
<p>Nope there is no % off game. As I would rather pay 2% above list vs pay $50k off list for a place overpriced by $100k.</p>
<p>As for negotiation 101, it says that you should not make big jumps. If you make big same sized jumps then they are encouraged to try again for more.</p>
<p>Also round robin isn&#8217;t so much<br />1) Try one house, go back and forth and see what happens, and when dead go to the next one.</p>
<p>Instead it is more of a</p>
<p>2) Put in an offer, if they come back, and they dont come back enough, say in 1 or 2 days &#8220;no, we will pass for now, you can resubmit if you want.&#8221; And you go and offer on another place. </p>
<p>Also use the Frankly CRA system (hidden throughout my blog, but soon getting a monumental post itself), the Comparative Realtor Analysis (trademark pending). Where you do a background check on the Realtor to see what is the most % off list they have accepted in the past. </p>
<p>Also watch my video on low ball offers. Sometimes if you start TOO low, you don&#8217;t get any movement and you end up paying MORE. Also I have no problem countering the SAME offer. Nothing says you have to come up each time. And let them know that you might or might not come back in a week after you try another 2 places. (sometimes I even tell them which places!!)</p>
<p>Where are you buying.</p>
<p>Frank</p>
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		<title>By: Aldo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,&lt;br/&gt;Man, o manoshevitz are you EVER right about the sleep aids.  We were prepared to use a TNPPRRA (The Non Patent Pending Round Robin Approach).  It was going to be textbook.  Four houses.  Experienced negotiators, we.  Well, the first house gets our first offer (150 below asking), and they bite hard and come down 40K.  Long story short, we have gone back and forth now four times.  We are 40K apart, and I proposed we meet halfway and they have not yet responded.  That last &lt;10 percent apart is a tough nut to crack -- and the iterative counters get smaller and more nerve wracking.  The round robin element of course has disappeared, but we may be near the target.  The problem with a bite initially is that it sucks you in to continue the drill.  So, here&#039;s a question: have you, or any of your readers, thought about putting numbers to TNPPRRA?  That is, if the initial bid is x percent below, and the counter is at y percent, then do z.  Or something like that.  This is game theory and higher mathematics, but you&#039;re a smart fella and this looks to be right up your experienced alley.  Cheers, Al...oh, and congratulations on your engagement!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,<br />Man, o manoshevitz are you EVER right about the sleep aids.  We were prepared to use a TNPPRRA (The Non Patent Pending Round Robin Approach).  It was going to be textbook.  Four houses.  Experienced negotiators, we.  Well, the first house gets our first offer (150 below asking), and they bite hard and come down 40K.  Long story short, we have gone back and forth now four times.  We are 40K apart, and I proposed we meet halfway and they have not yet responded.  That last &lt;10 percent apart is a tough nut to crack &#8212; and the iterative counters get smaller and more nerve wracking.  The round robin element of course has disappeared, but we may be near the target.  The problem with a bite initially is that it sucks you in to continue the drill.  So, here&#8217;s a question: have you, or any of your readers, thought about putting numbers to TNPPRRA?  That is, if the initial bid is x percent below, and the counter is at y percent, then do z.  Or something like that.  This is game theory and higher mathematics, but you&#8217;re a smart fella and this looks to be right up your experienced alley.  Cheers, Al&#8230;oh, and congratulations on your engagement!</p>
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		<title>By: FRANK LL0SA Va Broker- BLOG.FranklyRealty.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.franklyrealty.com/2007/08/round-robin-buying-system-unearthing.html/comment-page-1#comment-2343</link>
		<dc:creator>FRANK LL0SA Va Broker- BLOG.FranklyRealty.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Anonymous,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What is it with people not wanting to put a first name. No registration is required. Just call yourself Rex, or Jerry, or even Edward.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyhow, you will love my next blog post. We treat every purchase like an acquisition of a $1,000,000 corporation. You can be as good of a negotiator as you want, but wait until you see the data that we dig up. Even data that would encourage you to bid HIGHER. Yep, even the &quot;best&quot; negotiators, with the right data can and will understand that it is about VALUE, not about % off list.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Stay tuned (sign up in the upper right corner. Let me know if you have any problems since I just switched Blog to Email services)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Anonymous,</p>
<p>What is it with people not wanting to put a first name. No registration is required. Just call yourself Rex, or Jerry, or even Edward.</p>
<p>Anyhow, you will love my next blog post. We treat every purchase like an acquisition of a $1,000,000 corporation. You can be as good of a negotiator as you want, but wait until you see the data that we dig up. Even data that would encourage you to bid HIGHER. Yep, even the &#8220;best&#8221; negotiators, with the right data can and will understand that it is about VALUE, not about % off list.</p>
<p>Stay tuned (sign up in the upper right corner. Let me know if you have any problems since I just switched Blog to Email services)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank -&lt;br/&gt;I agree with you AND with anonymous AND with Cheryl.  Round Robin plus Seller&#039;s war plus de-escalation.  Oh, wait: does that reveal I&#039;m a potential buyer???&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We have tried to work with four different agents for buying.  Not one is a hard worker.  I do all the work and am not about to pay for that.  I sleep well at night, because I&#039;m a good negotiator.  I know listing agents do not like this (buyers negotiating for themselves and handling all the buying checklist items), and frankly (!!) I don&#039;t understand that.  They get to sell the house faster, at a lower price, and still make pretty darn near what they would have with an extra (at least) 3 percent.  It&#039;s not unethical, and it&#039;s not illegal.  It is unconventional, but with your site, Redfin, Homegain, and places like Stafford County&#039;s online real estate, I think it&#039;s a trend.  It does take homework and experience, but isn&#039;t that what gray hair says?  It sure doesn&#039;t say &quot;male model&quot;...well, to my wife it does...maybe....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank -<br />I agree with you AND with anonymous AND with Cheryl.  Round Robin plus Seller&#8217;s war plus de-escalation.  Oh, wait: does that reveal I&#8217;m a potential buyer???</p>
<p>We have tried to work with four different agents for buying.  Not one is a hard worker.  I do all the work and am not about to pay for that.  I sleep well at night, because I&#8217;m a good negotiator.  I know listing agents do not like this (buyers negotiating for themselves and handling all the buying checklist items), and frankly (!!) I don&#8217;t understand that.  They get to sell the house faster, at a lower price, and still make pretty darn near what they would have with an extra (at least) 3 percent.  It&#8217;s not unethical, and it&#8217;s not illegal.  It is unconventional, but with your site, Redfin, Homegain, and places like Stafford County&#8217;s online real estate, I think it&#8217;s a trend.  It does take homework and experience, but isn&#8217;t that what gray hair says?  It sure doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;male model&#8221;&#8230;well, to my wife it does&#8230;maybe&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: FRANK LL0SA Va Broker- BLOG.FranklyRealty.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>FRANK LL0SA Va Broker- BLOG.FranklyRealty.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 02:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Richmond,&lt;br/&gt;Great to hear that.  I&#039;m undergoing a Round Robin right now.&lt;br/&gt;Frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Richmond,<br />Great to hear that.  I&#8217;m undergoing a Round Robin right now.<br />Frank</p>
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		<title>By: Buyer in Richmond, Va</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buyer in Richmond, Va</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this column before shopping for a new house and used the technique.  Both houses that we made offers on were listed by the same realtor - so when we walked away from offer 1 and wrote a contract on house 2 - the sellers knew we would walk if things didn&#039;t go our way. &lt;br/&gt;Thanks Frank! Great Advice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this column before shopping for a new house and used the technique.  Both houses that we made offers on were listed by the same realtor &#8211; so when we walked away from offer 1 and wrote a contract on house 2 &#8211; the sellers knew we would walk if things didn&#8217;t go our way. <br />Thanks Frank! Great Advice!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to offering a substantial price drop as being being &quot;unethical&quot; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;....I would say, &quot;no price is too low to offer&quot;.  Let&#039;s face it, as a seller I rather hear &quot;any&quot; amount than no amount.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I was/am renting a place in Arlington.  At the end of July there was plenty of onlookers.  For whatever reason, I was not able to tend to this, and I advertised last weekend (middle of August)....you bet that anyone coming in the door, offering whatever, I would choose, rather than have the house vacant for at least a month.  &quot;Bring in the offers!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;BTW.....the practice of offering &quot;whatever&quot; is what is being practiced with Priceline in the travel business.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s all about &quot;timing&quot; .....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to offering a substantial price drop as being being &#8220;unethical&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8230;.I would say, &#8220;no price is too low to offer&#8221;.  Let&#8217;s face it, as a seller I rather hear &#8220;any&#8221; amount than no amount.  </p>
<p>I was/am renting a place in Arlington.  At the end of July there was plenty of onlookers.  For whatever reason, I was not able to tend to this, and I advertised last weekend (middle of August)&#8230;.you bet that anyone coming in the door, offering whatever, I would choose, rather than have the house vacant for at least a month.  &#8220;Bring in the offers!&#8221;</p>
<p>BTW&#8230;..the practice of offering &#8220;whatever&#8221; is what is being practiced with Priceline in the travel business.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about &#8220;timing&#8221; &#8230;..</p>
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