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		<title>By: Paula Clark</title>
		<link>http://blog.franklyrealty.com/2010/02/seller-closing-costs.html/comment-page-1#comment-4829</link>
		<dc:creator>Paula Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 02:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I own my house that i am selling outright. Not in any big hurry to sell as i can always rent it out. I am not paying ANYONE&#039;S closing cost unless it is rolled/folded into the agreed upon sales price after the fact like you stated and my agreed upon net selling price is the same. Honestly, where do these buyers have such a huge sense of entitlement that SELLERS are responsible not only their own fees, but theirs as well?! Get real!! I guess I should purchase them brand new furniture for their home too, not to mention all the other (mostly trivial) things they will want &quot;fixed&quot; and replaced due to the inspection. if you can&#039;t afford to pay YOUR OWN closing costs, then don&#039;t be trying to buy a house, or buy a less expensive home so you have money for closing. Seriously, how about they pay my real-estate agents commission? Bet that would go over well. 
Sorry for any typos, I am in a bit of a hurry and am trying to type quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own my house that i am selling outright. Not in any big hurry to sell as i can always rent it out. I am not paying ANYONE&#8217;S closing cost unless it is rolled/folded into the agreed upon sales price after the fact like you stated and my agreed upon net selling price is the same. Honestly, where do these buyers have such a huge sense of entitlement that SELLERS are responsible not only their own fees, but theirs as well?! Get real!! I guess I should purchase them brand new furniture for their home too, not to mention all the other (mostly trivial) things they will want &#8220;fixed&#8221; and replaced due to the inspection. if you can&#8217;t afford to pay YOUR OWN closing costs, then don&#8217;t be trying to buy a house, or buy a less expensive home so you have money for closing. Seriously, how about they pay my real-estate agents commission? Bet that would go over well.<br />
Sorry for any typos, I am in a bit of a hurry and am trying to type quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://blog.franklyrealty.com/2010/02/seller-closing-costs.html/comment-page-1#comment-4799</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point, I&#039;ll ask my agent. :)

I don&#039;t really think it&#039;s fair for buyers to be able to keep the excess to use to pay HOA dues, etc., especially if it is $1000 or more. I guess &quot;fair&quot; doesn&#039;t really enter into the equation when you are a seller in a buyer&#039;s market. 

Luckily we&#039;re not that hard up to sell...just yet, anyway. 

Thanks for your responses!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point, I&#8217;ll ask my agent. :)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really think it&#8217;s fair for buyers to be able to keep the excess to use to pay HOA dues, etc., especially if it is $1000 or more. I guess &#8220;fair&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really enter into the equation when you are a seller in a buyer&#8217;s market. </p>
<p>Luckily we&#8217;re not that hard up to sell&#8230;just yet, anyway. </p>
<p>Thanks for your responses!</p>
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		<title>By: FranklyRealty.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>FranklyRealty.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great question. How does your agent answer it?

I believe the default of the contact is ” up to”, so yes technically you the seller gets any unused portion. But that never happens. they find a way to fill the void. They buy down points, they use the home inspection receipt, prepay the, loan, prepay hoa fees for two years, etc.

You might be able to counter 2.5. Or have your agent call the lender to find out what they really need. Sometimes the, lender will tell you.

Frank via cell (sorry for typos)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great question. How does your agent answer it?</p>
<p>I believe the default of the contact is ” up to”, so yes technically you the seller gets any unused portion. But that never happens. they find a way to fill the void. They buy down points, they use the home inspection receipt, prepay the, loan, prepay hoa fees for two years, etc.</p>
<p>You might be able to counter 2.5. Or have your agent call the lender to find out what they really need. Sometimes the, lender will tell you.</p>
<p>Frank via cell (sorry for typos)</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I have another question for you: if we agree to 3% closing costs, and then the actual costs are less than 3%, what happens to the excess money? Does the buyer get to keep it? I&#039;m thinking we should say &quot;up to 3%,&quot; that way if it&#039;s 2.5% we &quot;get&quot; to keep the remaining .5%. Is that accurate? I doubt it will be less than 3% in Fairfax County, but you never know, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I have another question for you: if we agree to 3% closing costs, and then the actual costs are less than 3%, what happens to the excess money? Does the buyer get to keep it? I&#8217;m thinking we should say &#8220;up to 3%,&#8221; that way if it&#8217;s 2.5% we &#8220;get&#8221; to keep the remaining .5%. Is that accurate? I doubt it will be less than 3% in Fairfax County, but you never know, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://blog.franklyrealty.com/2010/02/seller-closing-costs.html/comment-page-1#comment-4795</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. We&#039;ve countered, and they are still coming in too low. We would like to reach a compromise, but at this point, I don&#039;t think they are coming up, and we are not keen to go down too much more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. We&#8217;ve countered, and they are still coming in too low. We would like to reach a compromise, but at this point, I don&#8217;t think they are coming up, and we are not keen to go down too much more.</p>
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		<title>By: FranklyRealty.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>FranklyRealty.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let them offer whatever they want. It then becomes the seller&#039;s job to counter. And the listing agent should ask &quot;we will be countering... do you care if we change the price or the CC&quot;.

Some buyers don&#039;t have enough money and &quot;need&quot; the CC or they can&#039;t do the deal. This is fine, but then you counter the sales price... all the way up to list if need be. One major problem with closing cost help is it confuses the appraisal process. The appraisal is not based on NET but on the contract page 1 price. You can get creative and put in the contract that if it does not appraise, the contract will self adjust (ie same net) and reduce the CC as necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let them offer whatever they want. It then becomes the seller&#8217;s job to counter. And the listing agent should ask &#8220;we will be countering&#8230; do you care if we change the price or the CC&#8221;.</p>
<p>Some buyers don&#8217;t have enough money and &#8220;need&#8221; the CC or they can&#8217;t do the deal. This is fine, but then you counter the sales price&#8230; all the way up to list if need be. One major problem with closing cost help is it confuses the appraisal process. The appraisal is not based on NET but on the contract page 1 price. You can get creative and put in the contract that if it does not appraise, the contract will self adjust (ie same net) and reduce the CC as necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of &quot;inflating&quot; the price to include closing costs AFTER the two parties agree on a price. I don&#039;t know why it&#039;s not done this way! We&#039;ve listed our townhouse for sale, and have gotten an offer for $40,000 under asking price, and they want 3% closing costs on top of that! Agents should explain to their buyers that closing costs should be a negotiation point, not necessarily a gimme. I don&#039;t think the average buyer understands that paying for buyers&#039; closing costs affects a seller&#039;s net profits. That $40,000 less offer becomes $46,300 less, and they think we&#039;re being unreasonble? Not hardly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of &#8220;inflating&#8221; the price to include closing costs AFTER the two parties agree on a price. I don&#8217;t know why it&#8217;s not done this way! We&#8217;ve listed our townhouse for sale, and have gotten an offer for $40,000 under asking price, and they want 3% closing costs on top of that! Agents should explain to their buyers that closing costs should be a negotiation point, not necessarily a gimme. I don&#8217;t think the average buyer understands that paying for buyers&#8217; closing costs affects a seller&#8217;s net profits. That $40,000 less offer becomes $46,300 less, and they think we&#8217;re being unreasonble? Not hardly.</p>
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		<title>By: Dayami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dayami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 03:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks very much!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much!!!</p>
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		<title>By: FranklyRealty.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>FranklyRealty.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can ask him whether he has an &quot;Affiliated business arrangement&quot; with the lender. You aren&#039;t really supposed to do that, but some places find a work around and will bury it in the papers they have you sign up front.

Also when you put in your offer, there is no problem with making the offer include all closing costs. It all depends on the home. If it is $200,000 and has been on the market for a long time, and YOU decide you want to offer $175,000 (do not use that number, I am just throwing random stuff out) then you can write up the contract as $185k with $10k in closing costs. (ie $175k net). Now they might counter and cut down the closing costs. Like they might counter at $197,000 with $5k in closing costs. In that case, their NET counter is $192k. If you are ok with that net, then you can counter $202k with $10k in closing costs (same net price).

Note that if you put TOO HIGH of closing costs in the contract, and they exceed the actual closing costs, you may/will lose that money. So don&#039;t go nuts. And some lenders will be &quot;conservative&quot; and tell you a higher number up front and think they are doing you a favor, but then when you close and their fees are LOWER, you lose that extra money. I usually stick to like $2k UNDER what I expect the total closing costs to be.

Also your agent can show you the last 5 homes and what seller subsidies they have done. Different price points and areas have different local norms.

One fear for the seller is if you INCREASE the price to include closing costs, then it might not appraise, and both parties have to start the negotiations over again.

Also as for the lender, talk to 2 or 3. Ask friends on facebook for suggestions. Don&#039;t get stuck with a ton of points and fees. A ton is relative, but talking to 2 or 3 lenders you trust will get you started in the right direction. Do no use Lending Tree or a random internet place.

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can ask him whether he has an &#8220;Affiliated business arrangement&#8221; with the lender. You aren&#8217;t really supposed to do that, but some places find a work around and will bury it in the papers they have you sign up front.</p>
<p>Also when you put in your offer, there is no problem with making the offer include all closing costs. It all depends on the home. If it is $200,000 and has been on the market for a long time, and YOU decide you want to offer $175,000 (do not use that number, I am just throwing random stuff out) then you can write up the contract as $185k with $10k in closing costs. (ie $175k net). Now they might counter and cut down the closing costs. Like they might counter at $197,000 with $5k in closing costs. In that case, their NET counter is $192k. If you are ok with that net, then you can counter $202k with $10k in closing costs (same net price).</p>
<p>Note that if you put TOO HIGH of closing costs in the contract, and they exceed the actual closing costs, you may/will lose that money. So don&#8217;t go nuts. And some lenders will be &#8220;conservative&#8221; and tell you a higher number up front and think they are doing you a favor, but then when you close and their fees are LOWER, you lose that extra money. I usually stick to like $2k UNDER what I expect the total closing costs to be.</p>
<p>Also your agent can show you the last 5 homes and what seller subsidies they have done. Different price points and areas have different local norms.</p>
<p>One fear for the seller is if you INCREASE the price to include closing costs, then it might not appraise, and both parties have to start the negotiations over again.</p>
<p>Also as for the lender, talk to 2 or 3. Ask friends on facebook for suggestions. Don&#8217;t get stuck with a ton of points and fees. A ton is relative, but talking to 2 or 3 lenders you trust will get you started in the right direction. Do no use Lending Tree or a random internet place.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Dayami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dayami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 01:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Frank
Is there any way for me to know if my broker is trying to make more money off the loan and what can he do to keep closing cost to a minimum?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Frank<br />
Is there any way for me to know if my broker is trying to make more money off the loan and what can he do to keep closing cost to a minimum?</p>
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